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Frequently Asked Questions for soc.genealogy.medieval Summary: This regular posting contains a list of Frequently Asked Questions (FAQs) and their answers about medieval genealogy. It should be read by anyone who wishes to post to the newsgroup or to the associated mailing list,. The FAQ is currently available on the World Wide Web at. Contributions by: Stewart Baldwin, Pat Boren, Todd Farmerie, Will Johnson, Bill Lemay, Chris Pitt-Lewis, Paul C. Reed, William Addams Reitwiesner, Josh Stevens, Don Stone Copyright: Copyright (c) 1999, 2000 by William Addams Reitwiesner.
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Is an unmoderated newsgroup for the discussion of genealogy and family history among people researching individuals who lived in medieval times. The primary focus of the group is likely to be on Europe and neighboring regions, but postings about genealogy in other areas during this time period are welcomed. The mailing list associated with the soc.genealogy.medieval newsgroup is.
The newsgroup and mailing list are gated, i.e., all email sent to the mailing list also appears as a posting in the newsgroup, and all postings in the newsgroup (except those that originated with the mailing list) are emailed to the mailing list. See question 2 for information about subscribing to the mailing list. All who have access to or and are interested in genealogy in the medieval period are are welcome to participate. A brief history of the group and list can be found at. Scope of the Group The medieval period is loosely defined for the purposes of this group as the period extending from the breakup of the (Western) Roman Empire until the time public records (such as church, tax, and census records) relating to the general population began to be kept. This period would extend roughly from AD 500 to AD 1600, but these limits are not intended to exclude related topics of discussion lying outside of these boundaries, e.g., royal or noble genealogy in earlier time periods. A related mailing list is the list, and questions relating solely to royal genealogy after about AD 1600 should be raised there.
The scope of the group reflects the different nature of genealogical research in the medieval period. Vital records and census records are not available for this period, and the researcher must rely instead on records of inheritance of property or tenancy, heraldic visitations, monastic charters, chronicles, onomastic evidence, and even numismatic evidence.
The group is intended to address all these various facets. The group is open to anyone with an interest in genealogy in the time period in question, including, but not limited to:. royal and noble descents. origins of American colonists. feudal descent of property.
value of pre-historical sources (such as sagas). adoption of surnames and insignia by families. source availability and reliability. reviews and correction of published works. Inappropriate Topics and Posts:. Postings of a general historical or cultural nature which are completely unrelated to medieval genealogy are not appropriate here.
For discussions of a non-genealogical nature, try instead or perhaps. Advertising or selling of a product or service is not in general regarded as acceptable.
The announcement of a product or service and its cost is acceptable. We highly recommend 'lurking'-reading messages without posting anything-for a bit so you can get an idea of how people typically phrase their postings and how to formulate good questions or comments.
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And certainly, including a long sequence of quoted earlier messages can easily put you over the limit; trim out irrelevant parts of recent quoted messages and eliminate the older quoted messages.). To send a message to the listowner only, use the address. Please use this address to report problems such as messages that fail to go through the gateway between soc.genealogy.medieval and [email protected]. To subscribe to (or unsubscribe from) the GEN-MEDIEVAL mailing list, send an email message to the appropriate request address at RootsWeb.com, where the list is hosted using Mailman, the GNU mailing list manager.
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To browse GEN-MEDIEVAL messages (from May 1999 onward), go to; this archive is threaded, i.e., below any message are links to all responses. Google's archive of newsgroup posts can be accessed via. Basic newsgroup and mailing list 'Netiquette' The netiquette for all newgroups in the soc.genealogy hierarchy is essentially the same. We recommend you read the FAQ for further details. It is posted periodically to various groups. Behavior expected of participants See the. The following two lists are excerpted from, with additional information in black for.
As a community member, please:. For starters, simply treat others the way you want to be treated. Respond to the subject (and not the person) if you disagree with something in a post. Share primarily your own thoughts, ideas and content. When discussing the conclusions of others, summarize them rather than quoting extensively. Post only information appropriate for a given topic and within the scope of the group or list.
Postings of a general historical or cultural nature which are completely unrelated to medieval genealogy are not appropriate here. On the other hand, please:. Don't harass, abuse or threaten other members. Don't post any content that's vulgar, hateful, sexually explicit, illegal or otherwise offensive. Don't post commercial messages, fee-for-service postings, advertising or related links, etc. However, the announcement of a product or service and its cost is acceptable.
Don't include identifiable information about living people without their direct consent, or, in the case of minors, the consent of their parent or guardian. This includes (but is not limited to) a person's full name, location or contact information. Don't post anything you didn't personally create except for brief summaries or short quotations (explicitly authorized or covered by fair use) of material from books, documents, emails, web pages, databases, etc. Read the Ancestry.com if you have questions. In general, don't copy a webpage into your posting; instead give a link to the page. Don't impersonate any individual, business or other entity.
Don't pretend to be an employee or representative of Ancestry.com or anyone affiliated with the Ancestry.com Operations Inc. Family of companies, properties or affiliates. In addition:. Don't use the list when personal email would be more appropriate. Don't use material from the list in violation of fair use.
(Rather than copying a posting, you can give a link to it in the archives,.) What if there's no response to my message? While on a philosophical level, it could be said that this group is here to help by providing a forum, in actuality, this group is just a venue where people interested in medieval genealogy come to talk. Nobody is paid or even formally volunteers their time here (except the listowners, whose sole role is to manage the subscriptions). People come and go as they please, answer or not answer as their mood and time and interest sways them. Responses are most likely to a specific question posed in the context of some background information (e.g., where you have looked for an answer without success); supplying the sources for the information in your message will help show that you are a serious researcher. How to respond to messages One important etiquette issue is how to respond to soc.genealogy.medieval or GEN-MEDIEVAL messages.
Before you send off a reply, stop and ask yourself 'Who should see this reply?' If the reply is intended for the poster of the original message only, be sure it is sent just to that person and not to the group or list. If you are replying to a message from GEN-MEDIEVAL:. To respond only to the author of the message, use the simple reply (to author) option.
To respond to the list, use your mailing program's option to reply to the author of a message and all recipients; if your mailing program doesn't have this option, use the simple reply option and CC to [email protected]. If you are replying to a message in soc.genealogy.medieval, your newsreader should give you a choice of responding to the author or responding to the group. If you want to respond to the group and the message has been cross-posted to several groups, remove any irrelevant groups from the Newsgroups: list (and the Followup-To: list, if any); if the message has no genealogical content, remove soc.genealogy.medieval. Note that very few messages are appropriate for cross-posting.
Junk mail Unsolicited commercial (junk) email or postings are a problem for which there is currently no ideal solution. Probably the best strategy at present is to delete and then forget about them; for messages sent to the GEN-MEDIEVAL list, responding to the author(s) and asking to be removed from their list may actually give them a new email address and thus may result in your getting more rather than less junk mail in the future.
Some mailing lists deal with junk mail by having a moderated list or accepting messages only from list members. That is not an option for GEN-MEDIEVAL, since it is gated with the newsgroup soc.genealogy.medieval, i.e., all messages posted to the newsgroup are passed on to the list and all messages sent to the list are posted in the newsgroup. Other recommendations Other suggestions we wish to emphasize:.
Always include a descriptive subject line in your message. Make sure it describes the main point of your message. Remember that many readers use the subject line to decide if they should read your message or not. 'Need help' or 'Genealogy' are not good subject lines. Also, if the focus of the discussion has changed from when the thread began, please modify the subject line to indicate this. Please keep the lines of your messages to under 70 characters.
Long lines will overflow when quoted by others and become very difficult to read. Posts may be in any language but will probably be understood by the largest audience if in English. All posters are encouraged to provide references for genealogical information presented, and to present lineages in as condensed a format as will still convey the necessary information. If you are responding to a long sequence of earlier postings, trim out the irrelevant parts of the earlier posts. Please do not quote a large amount of text from a webpage; simply give the page's URL and perhaps one or two brief quotes. If you are directing people to a Google book, you can remove extraneous parts of the URL (e.g., the specification of the search terms that brought you to that page). Often you will want to cut off everything after the page number (&pg=PAnnn) field in a long URL and change nnn to the actual page number you want, if necessary.
For example, takes you to the page in a translation of Froissart about the marriage of Thomas Morieux and Blanche, daughter of John of Gaunt. The search result URL for the same Google book can be something ridiculously long and not specific to the desired citation if the search term appears several places in the book. If you want just to cite a book, also cut off the &pg=PAnnn part, leaving, for example, for this Froissart translation. When you are viewing a search result page at the BYU Harold B. Lee Library Digital Collections site, e.g., there is a tiny button near the top left of the window labeled 'Reference URL' - use that in order to cite this page for others or save it for future review. Inappropriate behavior One last point to remember concerning inappropriate behavior: our newsgroup, in common with other newsgroups, has its share of people who seek to disrupt the group collectively and/or its posters individually.
While we may not have an official policy as to how one should deal with such disruptive behavior, we can suggest the following: DNFTEC. This stands for 'Do Not Feed The Energy Creature'. An energy creature's favorite feeding tactic is to try to hurt people's feelings or get them angry.
The Energy Creature can then feed off the pain and anger it has generated. Its second favorite tactic is to hurt one person or the group's feelings while gathering the sympathy of others. That way, when the injured party lashes back, others will jump to the Energy Creature's defense.
The Energy Creature feeds off the attention and the negative energy generated by the people fighting. Newsgroups will never be completely rid of such obnoxious, offensive and ill-mannered beings, but much can be done to keep the situation under control by remembering this simple formula: DNFTEC. If the Energy Creature gets a response, it gets stronger. If it is ignored, it will eventually weaken, wither and go away.
Remember: do not feed the energy creatures. Filtering Most modern email programs allow you to specify that email sent by GEN-MEDIEVAL should go not to your generic Inbox but instead to a mail folder you create (e.g., Inbox-GEN-MED), where you can display messages in threads and read the messages of interest without having them intermixed with personal or family email (or email from other mailing lists).
You can do further filtering if you wish. One thing you can do is filter by the author (the From field) and have messages from specified email addresses go to a different folder (e.g., Inbox-GEN-MED-low-priority). Another thing you can do (though apparently not in the mail client Eudora) is send all cross-posts to a folder such as Inbox-Crossposts. (The filter rule is to look for messages whose Newsgroups header contains a comma.) (Note that the rules for filtering cross-posts or mail from specific addresses must be given higher priority than the rule for sending the bulk of your GEN-MED email to Inbox-GEN-MED.) Periodically you can quickly scan (if desired) and discard the contents of Inbox-GEN-MED-low-priority and Inbox-Crossposts. Are there on-line sources of information?
If you are using the World Wide Web, you can reach several pages related to medieval lineages. We do not vouch for their contents. URLs which are the same color as this text are no longer shown as links, because the target did not appear to exist in early 2012. If a URL no longer works, you may be able to access an archived version of it via.
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